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Can I have a screenshot of Satyr's NPC Journal Entry from Primal Resonance in Japanese

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

I'm trying to get a hold of it. But I haven't played Primal Resonance, so I don't have access to it in game.

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

Is it just the journal text that you want?

メドゥーサの旧知の星晶獣、「星トモ」のひとり。他者の良いところを見つけて好意を持つ性質がとても強く、当然仲間のことも大好き。いつも前向きで明るく賑やかだが空気が読めないわけではなく、むしろ他者の感情への共感能力はとびぬけて高い。「人間の常識の枠組みからは外れた星晶獣としての特徴」があるらしいが、詳細は語られていない。
Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

To be specific, I need a screenshot of the text from in game of her NPC journal entry. Not just the text typed up here.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Well, no. Just a screenshot of the text if possible.

Markyi (talkcontribs)
Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Ah, thanks alot.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Oh, nvm.

I think what is said in the description of the Gender category on this wiki page is strange.

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

It says: "Gender is a character attribute used for game mechanics. A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute."

The first sentence isn't what's weird as its entirely accurate, but the second sentence is. When a character is presented and it clearly looks like a Male or Female, that is generally what the gender says about them when you do the search in-game. But there has never been any confirmation or showing of a person going through a change mid-plot which would result in the change of what it shows for a character in gender. So why is that being said?

Kamen Writer (talkcontribs)

Two examples that immediately come to mind are Cagliostro and Ladiva. Cagliostro was born a male in a sickly body and moved her soul into an artificial female body through alchemy at a very young age. Though her lore states she was originally born male (and then spent many centuries as a female and identifies as such), she is Female. Ladiva has the typical physical characteristics of a male Draph, identifies as female, and has been given the in-game gender of "Other". This is what it means by lore and appearance don't affect the attribute.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

That right there though is the error here. Because, the Male Cagliostro isn't a playable character. The Female Cagliostro is. Even though she was originally male, that male Cagliostro literally doesn't even exist anymore and was never presented as a playable character in the first place. Her being Male originally has nothing to do with the playable Cagliostro we have now as both people are different bodies and selves as confirmed in Alchemist's Desire. ( https://imgur.com/QApCLMC ). For example, if it was an NPC Journal entry, then it would then be Male for Cagliostro right then and there.

As for Ladiva, it is completely understandable that her gender is "Other", because it is a complete mix-up. The "Other" gender is for things that you cannot determine the gender for or is a mix between them in some way. Such as Ladiva being biologically Male, but is going by Female pronouns.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Another thing to say here is that these characters never changed mid-plot, those are pre-plot stuff that you mentioned. Therefore there isn't any showings of characters changing their gender in future plots that would result in their gender in-game being changed.

Aryo adhi (talkcontribs)

I don't know if there's any current existing character with different gender variants. The later sentence implies that the char's gender is what it is on the current lore.

W We shouldn't talk about character's past only to dispute their current gender. But you got the point; NPC entries for past characters should refer to their past gender. (because we talked the pa

Aryo adhi (talkcontribs)

However, we took the entries of NPC (and their gender) verbatim from the game; nothing changed.

Kamen Writer (talkcontribs)

The way I read the sentence, it seems to me the original author was simply trying to say "there are trans characters" in an overly literal way without bringing up the concept of trans, likely to avoid arguments with transphobic people who refuse to acknowledge Ladiva as female or who insist that Cag is simply an old guy with a young female body because of his preferences (and not in the meme-y sense). Read another way, it's saying, "Despite Ladiva physically appearing to be male, she is not categorized as Male by the game. Despite Cag originally being male according to her lore, she is categorized as Female by the game." with an implied "Deal with it." tagged on.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

@Aryo adhi

An NPC entry for the past Cagliostro shouldn't even exist. I posted the past Cagliostro in the shot right here in the link: https://imgur.com/QApCLMC Though you get the idea.

@Kamen Writer

Cag.. isn't old at all. I don't know why people keep calling her that and she isn't even Transgender neither. To explain everything here: Cag was just a sick little boy with an incurable illness, and to avoid dying and having to deal with his current body, he swapped into an immortal body and was technically reborn as it already confirms in the shot. In Alchemist's Desire, Cagliostro already explains that he does not age in the kind of body he created. Immortal bodies are outside the boundaries of human framework which was defined to us in game as not being able to age, reproduce, or grow. ( https://imgur.com/yQ7XpoR ). The things humans do within the cycle of life and death. Though homunculi are artificial humans anyhow. Now explaining how this isn't Transgender is simple, but trips people up anyhow. To be Transgender, like Ladiva, you just swap your biological gender with a gender. Simple. I'm a guy, so if I decide I want to go by female pronouns, then i'm Transgender now. But for Cagliostro, or anyone who swaps bodies, it's different. As the definition for Transgender states, you must differ from your Birth(Biological) gender to be Transgender. Since Cagliostro swapped out his body, he technically swapped from one Biological Gender to another Biological Gender. So Cag left that body to die, and is now in a new body with a new biological gender, therefore being reborn and not differing from it. Had Cagliostro wanted to remain being called male pronouns in her female body, this would be Transgender. But since she didn't decide to do that, it isn't. Her Male self carrying her old biological gender is dead and doesn't exist anymore, if not lifeless, the moment she left it. This was also already confirmed things in her Fate Episode, but was expanded upon in Alchemist's Desire. She had straight up said the same things I said in regards to her Male self not existing anymore and that who she is now is who she is. A Female. ( https://imgur.com/RKfbVPX )

This is why at times you will see people say Cagliostro isn't trans, because they understand that bodyswapping =/= that at all and that the definition is also saying that. There is already an established rule to it, where you have to be in the same body to do something like that. This is also why Cagliostro isn't Other in gender, because it would take into account that Cagliostro is a Male. But her Male self is dead and gone. It is a past-life. Her familiar, Ouroboros symbolizes life and death also.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

@Kamen Writer

The people who call Cag a he despite what she looks like are either pretty ignorant or dumb unless they are trying describe how she was in a past life when swapping into another body. Which is the only instance to me where that isn't dumb at all. Despite what you're saying, it doesn't help with how:

"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute."

Because what you're describing is pre-plot stuff. These things didnt happen in the present time, so we cannot determine whether or not this quote is true, because this quote is just an odd assumption that probably shouldn't even be there.

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

Kamen Writer is correct. In the past, there has been page vandalism related to certain characters where people would change pronouns with ill intent or they would change a character's gender field for various reasons. The gender field is strictly taken from the game itself and can be verified in Lyria's Notes using the Gender filter. That is why the gender disclaimer is worded that way.

As far as character pronouns go, the wiki goes with the character's preferred in-game English pronouns. For example, Helel ben Shalem's game gender is flagged as "Other", but uses she/her pronouns. This is so that we're consistent with the game's English translation.

This is a wiki, thus we aim to be neutral with regard to character gender.

--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 19:26, 20 November 2020 (CET)

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Alright, so there was vandalism.

But it should still be inaccurate to say:

"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute"

Because there is no proof of future changes that would change a character's gender in the first place.

Like you said, the gender field is strictly taken from the game itself, but how they were beforehand doesn't matter at all because that isn't the character we're currently using.

Shalem goes by "she/her" pronouns but is Other, because she is actually a God like Sahar is a God. Sahar is Other in gender, but as his disguise Lucio, he is Male. Since Shalem looks female, she goes by "she/her". Much like how Sahar looks Male, and goes by "he/him" as well as when he is Lucio. So how they are in gender is still accurate, cuz they can actually be whatever they want, but it is stated by Lucio that going against the forms they are given would be going against their creator, the Omnipotent or Original Bahamut. So they choose not to do something like that. ( https://imgur.com/LygYmNu )

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

I thought that at the time, when Kamen said "the original author", he meant GBF's author. But if he meant the wiki Author then my mistake. However, the quote is still kind of contradicting for reasons I already said. I mean there could've been another way of stating that this wiki shouldn't vandalized right? Cuz i've actually seen people get the wrong idea before and apply it to the game itself rather than to vandalism on this site.

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute" is still applicable for any future changes/additions in the game because recruitable characters are sometimes portrayed within a specific timeframe. For example, Juri is a version from before he joined the Grandcypher crew whereas Juri (Event) is after he joins the crew. There are also recruitable characters that are completely imaginary (i.e. Freezie), which means almost anything is possible.

I'm honestly not sure what your aim is. I used Shalem as an example of the wiki's stance on character pronouns vs. their gender flag used for game mechanics. I was not arguing that it should be otherwise.

--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 22:37, 20 November 2020 (CET)

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

I feel I misinterpreted that actually. But i'm just tryna say others can misinterpret that just as I did. My bad.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

I probably should've noticed it earlier, but my Cag example was already an example of that quote lol

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

The gender disclaimer is not changing. At the very least, there's no reason to change it based on your arguments. The disclaimer is deliberately worded and it has been working as intended for the past couple years.

--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 00:44, 21 November 2020 (CET)

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

The arguments I made were just another thing the quote itself could be applied to. So again, my mistake. Whoever gets the wrong idea, i'll just tell them what I learned here.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Is there information on who can activate Akasha? Did it say that only those of the Erste Royal Family could activate it?

I find it hard to find these pieces of information, I saw it before but I could only go by things I remember. But yeah, I need this information for something i'm working on.

I got a question about the Collection Tracker:

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

So it shows that, all the Summons when you click "Other" under the gender tab, it shows all the Summons + Primals. Why is it like that there in the Collection Tracker though when you can't search by gender when it comes to Summons in game? Is this something to be taken seriously? https://ibb.co/NyWm6pR

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Because even the obvious human summons in it are under "Other" unless its because they're just summons meaning they arent the real thing?

Zeze (talkcontribs)

I would assume that, for some reason, the Collection Tracker isn't properly filtering out summons when gender is selected. I'll pass on the message to those who work on the tracker.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Thanks. It would be understandable to not know where to put the Summons considering that in-game doesn't show that kind of stuff for Summons. That being said, I doubt any one of 'em is "Other".

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Except for like Collosus and such that it actually says it for on their character profiles.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Now that I think on it some more, I think i'm wrong. The Primals can assume Skydweller forms, but when they are in their Primal state, they're all Other in gender because they're like Deities when they're like that.

Though with that being said... they aren't even defined in game, but on the other hand, the lore and whatever is said for Tiamat's lore I think may confirm this already. (In her character page.)

What does the the title above character's names on the wiki mean?

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Is that the name of a trophy they're bound to get in their Fate Episode? Perhaps in regards to a FLB 5* Trophy?

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

With Japanese language settings, every character has a title in their character screen when uncapped to a certain point. These titles have been completely eliminated with English settings and are not officially translated. The most of the titles you see on the wiki are unofficial translations of the character's Japanese title.

Sometimes titles have an official translation due to being used in cutscenes/story events, such as Albert's title.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

So does it usually tell you that you earned the Title through a trophy or something? Or does it just appear there out of nowhere?

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

No, some trophies are directly named after a character's title, but a character does not get their title from a trophy.

Characters get their title when uncapped to 3.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

I see. Is there some kind of notification that would tell you this upon doing so?

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

No.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Oh alright. Thanks for the information.

I got these Satyr homepage voicelines and would like someone to take them off my hands and put them into the Home Page section of her Voice tab.

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Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)
Hakazumi (talkcontribs)
Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

So how do I contribute a voice file without naming it?

Because I would usually just record the file and then turn it from an mp4 file to an mp3. It usually just names itself after the destination it came from.

Hakazumi (talkcontribs)

I don't think any page really has a specific how-to guide other than the Template:VoicelessQuotes. But since the process is almost the same, no matter the files you want to get, I'll allow myself to quote part of it.
First of all, you pretty much need to be on browser, second is basically:

[...] you should have dev tool console ready (open by pressing ctrl + shift + i) with Network tab open.
This is how network tab looks like. The files you'd care about will be under the "Name" part.
In this case, it's filtered so there aren't that many results in it.

So while you can get everything without filtering, if you go to XHR tab, the mp3 files will be easier to notice.
Yes, you read it right, the files are already mp3 within the game. No need to convert anything.
They also have specific names, "3040211000_mypage1.mp3" is how Vira (Wind)'s first home screen voice line is called. It uses her character ID (3040211000) which you can normally find inside "extra data" tab on every character's page.
However, that is not always the case. Sometimes characters use their older version's ID or even use the same files as their alts, which is why it's important not to alter the names (it makes reusing easier and if there's anything wrong with it it can be double checked with in game ver within just few seconds, along other things).

"But how to files show up in network tab?"
They need to be triggered.
If character says something while using skill, you need to use said skill to get that line. If you want home screen lines, you need to poke the character for them to say something and for said something to appear in the network tab.

Uploading process is already kinda explained, just use Special:Upload page.

Back to Vira, if I wanted to add that file to her page, there's this "Edit" button on top right I'd have to click and then inside of templates would become visible.
Since that was home screen line, I'd have to search for its place within the template and that'd be:

|home1_jp=
|home1_en=
|home1_note=
|home1_file=

(Sometimes "note" field is not there, don't worry about that.)
|home1_file= would be changed to |home1_file=3040211000_mypage1.mp3.
After you're doing editing a page, remember to click "Save changes" for them to be kept.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Mb for the very late response, but I did as you asked. https://gbf.wiki/Satyr/Voice However, I don't hear any voicelines despite putting the files where they had to go.

Hakazumi (talkcontribs)

Did you read the manual page that I linked? Because it says

Direct linking to the voice files on the game servers is not allowed.


For them to work, you need to download them onto your drive, upload to wiki, and then add to her page like I showed above.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Oh right. How do I download it? Just use something to turn it into an mp3 file that can play?

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

(only asking incase its something that can be done through the dev tool itself and if its supposed to be done from that also.)

Hakazumi (talkcontribs)

Click to open the file in new tab, then either
a) right click it and choose to "save it as" then, without changing name, save
b) on chrome, if you can see 3-dots icon on the right, you can click it to choose "download"
You don't need to edit the files or even open them.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)

Thanks, i've managed to do it.

Forte.EXE (talkcontribs)
Hakazumi (talkcontribs)

Good.

[Suggestion] New NPCs as "What's New's" New Object(s) Subsection; "NPC Tab" for Stories.

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Ribby (talkcontribs)

So when any story is reviewed for new NPCs, it doesn't get listed.

I have to reread the story lines to see if any characters, even mundane characters get listed. For example, I was a bit dismayed that the red bikini babe from The Maydays story, was not included, but yes, I would have to search up names and put them in the search bar to see if anyone catches on. If it is something old, I need to scroll through NPC Characters List. I might as well research the stories myself! However, I don't think I am able to catch and scan full body scaled NPCs.

I might miss out on some characters like the usurpering Jalil. He looks cool. Missing Friday (joke) character as well. For quite a time, I forgot that monsters with a scripted dialogue might count as a NPC! Maybe that Curse Bringer monster (from Ejaeli's character quest) can just have a dialogue guest appearance and bam, one high quality full body scaled monster ready to go!

So I was thinking if a New Object(s) subsection under the "What's New" section would be good, but a bit more effort to go. I think it's probably better to have a NPC tab under the story pages. That be good. I think I'll see if Jalil can have a full body scale scan.

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

Nope.

I have already considered having new NPC pages be listed under What's New and even discussed it with wiki staff over a year ago. But it was decided not to so because it would essentially be story spoilers on the front page and that would not be okay with everyone.

If you want to know what NPCs are in an event, in the game just go to Journal > Story > Events tab > Click an event > Click the characters button. It will list both NPC and playable characters that appear in the story.

--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 07:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Ribby (talkcontribs)

That works too.

Hakazumi (talkcontribs)

I also feel like mentioning something. Just because you see an npc character somewhere, it doesn't mean they have a full body art (which is what we use for npc entries). Misc npcs, like the bikini lady from maydays whose lover was eaten, also don't have their own npc entries in journal so adding any info about them would require additional effort because any synopsis would have to be written by editors instead of taken straight from the game, which might not be even worth it in the end. VAs are quite often not listed for them as well.

Table For Six Psycho Vira Trigger

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99.241.61.200 (talkcontribs)

Lumi Bits clears ALL buffs from your party (regardless of damage dealt).

basic grip is not working, pls fix

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113.254.164.61 (talkcontribs)

as title

I have no idea how to edit the wiki page so here i am

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Seiki (talkcontribs)

Siegfried summer's skill dmg cap is written wrong in the wiki. New cap after rework is actually roughly 850k for 1st skill and 1750k for 2nd skill. Hope someone can edit that.

Also the SSR Tier list doesnt seem to have been updated

Zeze (talkcontribs)

Our source for the numbers comes from a pretty reliable source who tested Sieg after his rebalance. Even Gamewith/GBF-wiki (JP) have the cap at ~630,000 for a higher range. If you have a Seraphic or any other cap-boosting weapon/summon, your cap will be higher than it actually is.

AdlaiT (talkcontribs)

Damage caps on the wiki are always the unmodified base value. Modifiers such as DMG Cap UpCan deal big bonus DMG when DMG dealt in one turn reaches a certain amount
, skill DMG cap EMPs, and Seraphic weapon skills are purposefully not included.

--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 05:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)