User:Blue Sphere/Investment Guide

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Disclaimer

With the release of 5★ Astral Weapons I need some time to recalc grids and update my recommendations. The general idea that you should have most if not all F2P characters and summons in that element to start a primal grid is still valid no matter what.

  • However, some magna grids might be more accessible and just as strong at low-investment
  • This removes incentives for low-investment primal grids
  • I will later release a new version of the investment guide that is more accessible and more comprehensive but will probably not focus on similarly low levels of investment

What is this guide?

  • This guide is here to help you decide on where to spend your most limited resources with the focus being to have the highest return on investment (bang for your buck).
  • This is why it focuses on low-investment and high-impact grids that cost a reasonable amount of Sunlight Stone square.jpg Sunlight Stones, Damascus Ingot square.jpg Damascus Ingots, Gold Brick square.jpg Gold Bricks, and ideally few sparks if possible.
  • It will not help you make primal grids in every element, as some elements only have very high investment grids that are not amazingly powerful.
  • However this guide features recommendations that are meant for all primal setups, should you want to invest in grids that are not presented here.

Weapon s 1040410000.jpg Blue Sphere’s Primal Recommendations

August 2020 Update

  • 5★ Omega summons have decimated a ton of low-investment primal grids.
  • Guide is WIP until further notice.
  • Main recommendations:
    • do not invest in any primal at this stage
    • make sure to acquire outstanding limited characters

January 2020 Update

  • Summon s 2040347000.jpg Belial is a crucial summon for all primal grids: his presence increases contention over Sunlight Stone square.jpg Sunlight Stones even more than before. Most optimal setups are now essentially locked to 4 fixed summons, e.g. Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus, Summon s 2040242000.jpg The Star (SSR), Summon s 2040330000.jpg Metatron, and Summon s 2040347000.jpg Belial.
  • Summon s 2040347000.jpg Belial is also a relevant summon for all elements, even Magna grids, making it a high priority Sunlight Stone square.jpg Sunlight Stone target.
  • For this reason I recommend against investing Sunlight Stone square.jpg Sunlight Stones in summons that can be obtained via Surprise Ticket and grids that may rely on them.
  • To underline this, I am removing examples for Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna grids and Npc s 3040164000 01.jpg Caim-powered Summon s 2040084000.jpg Titan grids as they can no longer be considered to be low-investment.

Dos and don'ts

You probably know all of this already but I'm saying it again just in case

DOS

  • do check the requirements to start a primal grid (read the rest of the guide to find out!)
  • do save Grand weapon copies (preferably in your crate)
  • do save rare materials: bars, sunstones
  • do uncap everything at once but only when everything is ready
  • do remember that primal grids need to be "refreshed" more often than magna grids

DON'TS

  • do not uncap a single Grand weapon to "improve" your current grid
  • do not craft your primal grid one weapon at a time over the course of many months
  • do not believe that primal grids involve less farming than magna grids
  • do not think that an unfinished primal grid will be stronger than a complete magna grid

With that out of the way, let's get to the main topic!

Forewarning

If you're planning on building a primal grid, you should definitely aim to get all possible F2P characters and summons in that element.

This means that:

Primal Required Preferable
Category Summon Eternal Evoker Eternal Evoker
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni Summon s 2040244000.jpg The Sun (SSR) Npc s 3040039000 01.jpg Tien Npc s 3040167000 01.jpg Alanaan
Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna Summon s 2040243000.jpg The Moon (SSR) Npc s 3040030000 01.jpg Anre Npc s 3040168000 01.jpg Haaselia
Summon s 2040084000.jpg Titan Summon s 2040237000.jpg The Hanged Man (SSR) Npc s 3040037000 01.jpg Eahta Npc s 3040164000 01.jpg Caim
Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus Summon s 2040245000.jpg Judgement (SSR) Npc s 3040038000 01.jpg Niyon Npc s 3040036000 01.jpg Seofon
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Summon s 2040242000.jpg The Star (SSR) Npc s 3040034000 01.jpg Fif Npc s 3040162000 01.jpg Geisenborger
Summon s 2040090000.jpg Hades Summon s 2040238000.jpg Death (SSR) Npc s 3040035000 01.jpg Seox Npc s 3040169000 01.jpg Nier
  • and you should also spark relevant characters to have a good frontline:
Primal Required Preferable
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni
Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna Npc s 3040147000 01.jpg Vajra Npc s 3040179000 01.jpg Grea (Summer)
Summon s 2040084000.jpg Titan Npc s 3040158000 01.jpg Alexiel Npc s 3040239000 01.jpg Zeta and Vaseraga (Halloween)
Npc s 3040249000 01.jpg Narmaya (Holiday)
Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus Npc s 3040101000 01.jpg Lecia (Grand)
Npc s 3040071000 01.jpg Andira
Npc s 3040261000 01.jpg Grimnir (Valentine)
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Npc s 3040245000 01.jpg Jeanne d'Arc (Grand) Halluel and Malluel (Summer) square.jpg Halluel and Malluel (Summer)
Npc s 3040240000 01.jpg Hallessena (Halloween)
Summon s 2040090000.jpg Hades Npc s 3040092000 01.jpg Zooey (Grand) Npc s 3040251000 01.jpg Helel ben Shalem
Npc s 3040265000 01.jpg Rei

I’m Rerolling to get a primal summon, which one should I go for?

  • Since you're asking I assume that you don't have a strong preference for a particular element.
  • Rerolling is still not super in line with the terms of service.
Primal Notes
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni Especially if you can get Summon s 2040306000.jpg Michael as well.
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Even without Summon s 2040330000.jpg Metatron, but better if you can get both.
  • Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni allows you to craft a very strong F2P grid by farming the Prometheus (Raid).
  • Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus allows you to craft a very strong low-investment grid by farming the Hector (Raid).
  • Other primals at low investment do not provide a significant enough improvement over standard Magna setups.

I’m picking a demi-primal, which one should I pick?

I have this primal+primarch combo, what should I do?

The safe picks

Primal Primarch Recommendation
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni or Summon s 2040269000.jpg Demi Agni Summon s 2040306000.jpg Michael Go farm Prometheus and/or Twin Elements (Raid) after you’re done farming Europa (Raid) for your M2 grid.
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Summon s 2040330000.jpg Metatron Go farm Hector (Raid) after you’re done farming Avatar for your M2 grid. Invest in 2 Weapon s 1040207000.jpg Edens.

More risky picks

  • Keep your grand weapons safe.
  • Wait for the right moment to invest when that element becomes the "top dog".
Primal Primarch Recommendation
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni Summon s 2040306000.jpg Michael Wait and see.
Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna Summon s 2040311000.jpg Gabriel Wait and see.
Summon s 2040084000.jpg Titan Summon s 2040203000.jpg Uriel Wait and see.
Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus Summon s 2040202000.jpg Raphael Wait and see.
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Summon s 2040330000.jpg Metatron Invest in 4 Weapon s 1040207000.jpg Edens or more.
Summon s 2040090000.jpg Hades Summon s 2040327000.jpg Sariel Wait and see.

I have this primal, what should I do?

  • I'm assuming that either:
    • you don't have the corresponding primarch or
    • you want to start a second primal grid.

No corresponding primarch

  • That's ok!
  • Those two are still really safe!
Primal Recommendation
Summon s 2040094000.jpg Agni or Summon s 2040269000.jpg Demi Agni Go farm Prometheus after you’re done farming Europa (Raid) for your M2 grid.
Summon s 2040080000.jpg Zeus Go farm Hector (Raid) after you’re done farming Avatar for your M2 grid. Invest in 2-3 Weapon s 1040207000.jpg Edens.

Second primal?

  • Don't do anything.
  • Be careful with your Sunlight Stone square.jpg Sunlight Stones.
  • You really want to invest in another Damascus Ingot square.jpg Damascus Ingot sink?
  • Ok you can look at this then...
Primal Recommendation
Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna Keep it in crate.
Summon s 2040084000.jpg Titan Keep it in crate.
Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus Keep it in crate.
Summon s 2040090000.jpg Hades Keep it in crate.

Why didn't you mention "Grid X"?

There are a few possible reasons why a given grid would not be featured in this guide:

  • it's really too expensive and will cost you real money on top of huge opportunity cost (e.g. Weapon s 1040200700.jpg Gisla-based Summon s 2040090000.jpg Hades grids, Weapon s 1040212200.jpg Spear of Assail-based Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus grids),
  • it's too expensive for the improvement it brings over Magna 2 (e.g. high-investment Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus grids or Summon s 2040100000.jpg Varuna grids),
  • it's too expensive and might be replaced by stronger alternatives in the future (e.g. high-investment Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus grids),
  • it's not expensive but standard Magna 2 is just as strong or better (e.g. low-investment Summon s 2040098000.jpg Zephyrus grids).

Some examples of low-investment primal grids

Prometheus grid

Fire of Prometheus tall.jpgMainhand Weapon:
Fire of Prometheus
Skill charge attack.png Ferulic NexusMassive Fire damage to a foe. / Inflict Status FireResDown.png15% Fire DEF DownDEF is lowered for fire DMG
Strength: 15%
.
After 4★:
Increased to Status FireResDown.png20% Fire DEF DownDEF is lowered for fire DMG
Strength: 20%
.
Ray of Zhuque Malus icon.jpg
Auxiliary Weapon:
Ray of Zhuque Malus
Skill charge attack.png Southern LightsMassive Fire damage to a foe.
Gain Status AttackUp.pngSkill DMG UpSkill DMG is boosted
.
Weapon m 1040008000.jpg
Cosmic Sword
Weapon m 1040017200.jpg
Sword of Valorblaze
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Weapon m 1040310600.jpg
Scythe of Repudiation
Weapon m 1040018900.jpg
Chains of Caucasus
Weapon m 1040018900.jpg
Chains of Caucasus
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Fire of Prometheus icon.jpg
Fire of Prometheus
Weapon m 1040018900.jpg
Chains of Caucasus
Weapon m 1040018900.jpg
Chains of Caucasus
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png


Summon ls 2040094000.jpg

Summon m 2040306000.jpg

Summon m 2040244000.jpg

Summon ls 2040185000.jpg

Summon m 2040281000.jpg

Summon m 2040158000.jpg


Ecke Sachs grid

Weapon ls 1040310600.jpgMainhand Weapon:
Scythe of Repudiation
Skill charge attack.png Apocalyptic IgnitionMassive Fire damage to a foe. / All allies gain Status Hellfire Crest 1.pngHellfire CrestFire magic is amplified (Max: 5 / Can't be removed)
Duration: Indefinite
.
Additional effect based on the pendulum.
Ray of Zhuque Malus icon.jpg
Auxiliary Weapon:
Ray of Zhuque Malus
Skill charge attack.png Southern LightsMassive Fire damage to a foe.
Gain Status AttackUp.pngSkill DMG UpSkill DMG is boosted
.
Weapon m 1040008000.jpg
Cosmic Sword
Weapon m 1040017200.jpg
Sword of Valorblaze
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Weapon m 1040906400.jpg
Ixaba
Ecke Sachs icon.jpg
Ecke Sachs
Ecke Sachs icon.jpg
Ecke Sachs
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Weapon m 1040112600.jpg
Gangsta Knife
Ecke Sachs icon.jpg
Ecke Sachs
Ecke Sachs icon.jpg
Ecke Sachs
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png


Summon ls 2040094000.jpg

Summon m 2040306000.jpg

Summon m 2040244000.jpg

Summon ls 2040094000.jpg

Summon m 2040053000.jpg

Summon m 2040240000.jpg


Hector grid

Weapon ls 1040017000.jpgMainhand Weapon:
Sword of Repudiation
Skill charge attack.png Apocalyptic MessiahMassive Light damage to a foe. / All allies gain Status Aurora Crest 1.pngAurora CrestLight magic is amplified (Max: 5 / Can't be removed)
Duration: Indefinite
.
Additional effect based on the pendulum.
Bow of Iliad icon.jpg
Auxiliary Weapon:
Bow of Iliad
Skill charge attack.png Dread ShotMassive Light damage to a foe. / All allies gain Status Dmg Cut 15.png15% DMG CutTaking 15% less DMG
Duration: 0.5 turnsDamage Cut reducing damage taken for all elements.
Warning! Does not work for Plain Damage!Applied during the attack phase.
On the next turn, it'll have 0 turns remaining.
.
After 4★:
Buff increased to Status Dmg Cut 20.png20% DMG CutTaking 20% less DMG
Duration: 0.5 turnsDamage Cut reducing damage taken for all elements.
Warning! Does not work for Plain Damage!Applied during the attack phase.
On the next turn, it'll have 0 turns remaining.
.
Weapon m 1040207000.jpg
Eden
Weapon m 1040207000.jpg
Eden
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Luminiera Sword Omega icon.jpg
Luminiera Sword Omega
Weapon m 1040611700.jpg
Adamantine Gauntlet
Weapon m 1040611700.jpg
Adamantine Gauntlet
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png
Weapon m 1040809600.jpg
Harp of Everlore
Weapon m 1040611700.jpg
Adamantine Gauntlet
Weapon m 1040611700.jpg
Adamantine Gauntlet
Icon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.pngIcon Yellow Star Empty.png


Summon ls 2040080000.jpg

Summon m 2040188000.jpg

Summon m 2040330000.jpg

Summon ls 2040080000.jpg

Summon m 2040157000.jpg

Summon m 2040242000.jpg


A balanced spread of modifiers

Weapons Skill Modifier Value notes
Weapon s 1040611700.jpg Adamantine Gauntlet x4 Grand Epic EX 80% reaches the cap of Grand Epic
Weapon s 1040611700.jpg Adamantine Gauntlet x4 Normal Critical Critical 98.8% / 50% almost guaranteed critical hits
Weapon s 1040207000.jpg Eden x2
Bow of Iliad square.jpg Bow of Iliad
Normal Stamina Stamina 129.7% at 100% HP
Weapon s 1040017000.jpg Sword of Repudiation Pendulum of Prosperity square.jpg Pendulum of Prosperity's Progression Elemental 5.7% to 57% increases by 5.7% per turn
Weapon s 1040207000.jpg Eden x2
Luminiera Sword Omega square.jpg Luminiera Sword Omega
Weapon s 1040017000.jpg Sword of Repudiation
Weapon s 1040809600.jpg Harp of Everlore
Normal Attack Attack 338.2% some normal attack modifier
Luminiera Sword Omega square.jpg Luminiera Sword Omega Magna Attack Magna 13%