Sorry, what I'm going to ask isn't related to the wiki but I couldn't think of a better place to get help with this.
I'd like to know if there is a way to see every character artworks uploaded on the wiki? I didn't find anything here so I tried searching this in google image site:https://gbf.wiki/ Npc_zoom_ but it isn't exhaustive.
I need this to make a character sorter that will allow to sort characters poses so you could have a battle between Anila (Summer) Base Art vs Anila (Event) 2nd Art for example. I doubt anybody remember artworks off the top of their head so having pictures would be helpful. Actually it would be easier if I can rather just have the images links.
This website has a good chunk of all the art in the game https://www.gbf-img.com/.
Although, if you're trying to build a website yourself, I'd suggest downloading all the relevant arts from the game once and hosting them on said site. They use the following URL pattern:
from the drop table, only gold chest no.1 has a 1x elemental halo drop, but i got a 2x halo drop from 2 different gold chest.
im not the host or mvp so i can assume its not some colour bug or something
"Gender is a character attribute used for game mechanics.
A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute."
The first sentence isn't what's weird as its entirely accurate, but the second sentence is.
When a character is presented and it clearly looks like a Male or Female, that is generally what the gender says about them when you do the search in-game. But there has never been any confirmation or showing of a person going through a change mid-plot which would result in the change of what it shows for a character in gender. So why is that being said?
Two examples that immediately come to mind are Cagliostro and Ladiva. Cagliostro was born a male in a sickly body and moved her soul into an artificial female body through alchemy at a very young age. Though her lore states she was originally born male (and then spent many centuries as a female and identifies as such), she is Female. Ladiva has the typical physical characteristics of a male Draph, identifies as female, and has been given the in-game gender of "Other". This is what it means by lore and appearance don't affect the attribute.
That right there though is the error here.
Because, the Male Cagliostro isn't a playable character. The Female Cagliostro is.
Even though she was originally male, that male Cagliostro literally doesn't even exist anymore and was never presented as a playable character in the first place. Her being Male originally has nothing to do with the playable Cagliostro we have now as both people are different bodies and selves as confirmed in Alchemist's Desire. ( https://imgur.com/QApCLMC ). For example, if it was an NPC Journal entry, then it would then be Male for Cagliostro right then and there.
As for Ladiva, it is completely understandable that her gender is "Other", because it is a complete mix-up. The "Other" gender is for things that you cannot determine the gender for or is a mix between them in some way. Such as Ladiva being biologically Male, but is going by Female pronouns.
Another thing to say here is that these characters never changed mid-plot, those are pre-plot stuff that you mentioned.
Therefore there isn't any showings of characters changing their gender in future plots that would result in their gender in-game being changed.
The way I read the sentence, it seems to me the original author was simply trying to say "there are trans characters" in an overly literal way without bringing up the concept of trans, likely to avoid arguments with transphobic people who refuse to acknowledge Ladiva as female or who insist that Cag is simply an old guy with a young female body because of his preferences (and not in the meme-y sense). Read another way, it's saying, "Despite Ladiva physically appearing to be male, she is not categorized as Male by the game. Despite Cag originally being male according to her lore, she is categorized as Female by the game." with an implied "Deal with it." tagged on.
An NPC entry for the past Cagliostro shouldn't even exist.
I posted the past Cagliostro in the shot right here in the link: https://imgur.com/QApCLMC
Though you get the idea.
Cag.. isn't old at all.
I don't know why people keep calling her that and she isn't even Transgender neither.
To explain everything here:
Cag was just a sick little boy with an incurable illness, and to avoid dying and having to deal with his current body, he swapped into an immortal body and was technically reborn as it already confirms in the shot.
In Alchemist's Desire, Cagliostro already explains that he does not age in the kind of body he created. Immortal bodies are outside the boundaries of human framework which was defined to us in game as not being able to age,
reproduce, or grow. ( https://imgur.com/yQ7XpoR ). The things humans do within the cycle of life and death. Though homunculi are artificial humans anyhow.
Now explaining how this isn't Transgender is simple, but trips people up anyhow. To be Transgender, like Ladiva, you just swap your biological gender with a gender. Simple. I'm a guy, so if I decide I want to go by
female pronouns, then i'm Transgender now. But for Cagliostro, or anyone who swaps bodies, it's different. As the definition for Transgender states, you must differ from your Birth(Biological) gender to be Transgender.
Since Cagliostro swapped out his body, he technically swapped from one Biological Gender to another Biological Gender. So Cag left that body to die, and is now in a new body with a new biological gender, therefore being reborn and not differing from it. Had Cagliostro wanted to remain being called male pronouns in her female body, this would be Transgender. But since she didn't decide to do that, it isn't. Her Male self carrying her old biological gender is dead and doesn't exist anymore, if not lifeless, the moment she left it. This was also already confirmed things in her Fate Episode, but was expanded upon in Alchemist's Desire. She had straight up said the same things I said in regards to her Male self not existing anymore and that who she is now is who she is. A Female. ( https://imgur.com/RKfbVPX )
This is why at times you will see people say Cagliostro isn't trans, because they understand that bodyswapping =/= that at all and that the definition is also saying that. There is already an established rule to it, where you have to be in the same body to do something like that. This is also why Cagliostro isn't Other in gender, because it would take into account that Cagliostro is a Male. But her Male self is dead and gone. It is a past-life.
Her familiar, Ouroboros symbolizes life and death also.
The people who call Cag a he despite what she looks like are either pretty ignorant or dumb unless they are trying describe how she was in a past life when swapping into another body. Which is the only instance to me where
that isn't dumb at all. Despite what you're saying, it doesn't help with how:
"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute."
Because what you're describing is pre-plot stuff. These things didnt happen in the present time, so we cannot determine whether or not this quote is true, because this quote is just an odd assumption that probably shouldn't even be there.
Kamen Writer is correct. In the past, there has been page vandalism related to certain characters where people would change pronouns with ill intent or they would change a character's gender field for various reasons. The gender field is strictly taken from the game itself and can be verified in Lyria's Notes using the Gender filter. That is why the gender disclaimer is worded that way.
As far as character pronouns go, the wiki goes with the character's preferred in-game English pronouns. For example, Helel ben Shalem's game gender is flagged as "Other", but uses she/her pronouns. This is so that we're consistent with the game's English translation.
This is a wiki, thus we aim to be neutral with regard to character gender.
--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 19:26, 20 November 2020 (CET)
"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute"
Because there is no proof of future changes that would change a character's gender in the first place.
Like you said, the gender field is strictly taken from the game itself, but how they were beforehand doesn't matter at all because that isn't the character we're currently using.
Shalem goes by "she/her" pronouns but is Other, because she is actually a God like Sahar is a God. Sahar is Other in gender, but as his disguise Lucio, he is Male.
Since Shalem looks female, she goes by "she/her". Much like how Sahar looks Male, and goes by "he/him" as well as when he is Lucio. So how they are in gender is still accurate, cuz they can actually be whatever they want, but it is stated by Lucio that going against the forms they are given would be going against their creator, the Omnipotent or Original Bahamut. So they choose not to do something like that. ( https://imgur.com/LygYmNu )
I thought that at the time, when Kamen said "the original author", he meant GBF's author. But if he meant the wiki Author then my mistake. However, the quote is still kind of contradicting for reasons I already said. I mean there could've been another way of stating that this wiki shouldn't vandalized right? Cuz i've actually seen people get the wrong idea before and apply it to the game itself rather than to vandalism on this site.
"A character's lore, appearance, and other factors do not affect this attribute" is still applicable for any future changes/additions in the game because recruitable characters are sometimes portrayed within a specific timeframe. For example, Juri is a version from before he joined the Grandcypher crew whereas Juri (Event) is after he joins the crew. There are also recruitable characters that are completely imaginary (i.e. Freezie), which means almost anything is possible.
I'm honestly not sure what your aim is. I used Shalem as an example of the wiki's stance on character pronouns vs. their gender flag used for game mechanics. I was not arguing that it should be otherwise.
--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 22:37, 20 November 2020 (CET)
The gender disclaimer is not changing. At the very least, there's no reason to change it based on your arguments. The disclaimer is deliberately worded and it has been working as intended for the past couple years.
--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 00:44, 21 November 2020 (CET)
So it shows that, all the Summons when you click "Other" under the gender tab, it shows all the Summons + Primals. Why is it like that there in the Collection Tracker though when you can't search by gender when it comes to Summons in game? Is this something to be taken seriously? https://ibb.co/NyWm6pR
Now that I think on it some more, I think i'm wrong. The Primals can assume Skydweller forms, but when they are in their Primal state, they're all Other in gender because they're like Deities when they're like that.
Though with that being said... they aren't even defined in game, but on the other hand, the lore and whatever is said for Tiamat's lore I think may confirm this already. (In her character page.)
With Japanese language settings, every character has a title in their character screen when uncapped to a certain point. These titles have been completely eliminated with English settings and are not officially translated. The most of the titles you see on the wiki are unofficial translations of the character's Japanese title.
Sometimes titles have an official translation due to being used in cutscenes/story events, such as Albert's title.
I don't think any page really has a specific how-to guide other than the Template:VoicelessQuotes. But since the process is almost the same, no matter the files you want to get, I'll allow myself to quote part of it. First of all, you pretty much need to be on browser, second is basically:
[...] you should have dev tool console ready (open by pressing ctrl + shift + i) with Network tab open.
So while you can get everything without filtering, if you go to XHR tab, the mp3 files will be easier to notice. Yes, you read it right, the files are already mp3 within the game. No need to convert anything. They also have specific names, "3040211000_mypage1.mp3" is how Vira (Wind)'s first home screen voice line is called. It uses her character ID (3040211000) which you can normally find inside "extra data" tab on every character's page. However, that is not always the case. Sometimes characters use their older version's ID or even use the same files as their alts, which is why it's important not to alter the names (it makes reusing easier and if there's anything wrong with it it can be double checked with in game ver within just few seconds, along other things).
"But how to files show up in network tab?" They need to be triggered. If character says something while using skill, you need to use said skill to get that line. If you want home screen lines, you need to poke the character for them to say something and for said something to appear in the network tab.
Uploading process is already kinda explained, just use Special:Upload page.
Back to Vira, if I wanted to add that file to her page, there's this "Edit" button on top right I'd have to click and then inside of templates would become visible. Since that was home screen line, I'd have to search for its place within the template and that'd be:
(Sometimes "note" field is not there, don't worry about that.) |home1_file= would be changed to |home1_file=3040211000_mypage1.mp3. After you're doing editing a page, remember to click "Save changes" for them to be kept.
Click to open the file in new tab, then either a) right click it and choose to "save it as" then, without changing name, save b) on chrome, if you can see 3-dots icon on the right, you can click it to choose "download" You don't need to edit the files or even open them.
So when any story is reviewed for new NPCs, it doesn't get listed.
I have to reread the story lines to see if any characters, even mundane characters get listed. For example, I was a bit dismayed that the red bikini babe from The Maydays story, was not included, but yes, I would have to search up names and put them in the search bar to see if anyone catches on. If it is something old, I need to scroll through NPC Characters List. I might as well research the stories myself! However, I don't think I am able to catch and scan full body scaled NPCs.
I might miss out on some characters like the usurpering Jalil. He looks cool. Missing Friday (joke) character as well. For quite a time, I forgot that monsters with a scripted dialogue might count as a NPC! Maybe that Curse Bringer monster (from Ejaeli's character quest) can just have a dialogue guest appearance and bam, one high quality full body scaled monster ready to go!
So I was thinking if a New Object(s) subsection under the "What's New" section would be good, but a bit more effort to go. I think it's probably better to have a NPC tab under the story pages. That be good. I think I'll see if Jalil can have a full body scale scan.
I have already considered having new NPC pages be listed under What's New and even discussed it with wiki staff over a year ago. But it was decided not to so because it would essentially be story spoilers on the front page and that would not be okay with everyone.
If you want to know what NPCs are in an event, in the game just go to Journal > Story > Events tab > Click an event > Click the characters button. It will list both NPC and playable characters that appear in the story.
--AdlaiT (talk) - Wiki Admin 07:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I also feel like mentioning something. Just because you see an npc character somewhere, it doesn't mean they have a full body art (which is what we use for npc entries). Misc npcs, like the bikini lady from maydays whose lover was eaten, also don't have their own npc entries in journal so adding any info about them would require additional effort because any synopsis would have to be written by editors instead of taken straight from the game, which might not be even worth it in the end. VAs are quite often not listed for them as well.