Hi.
I'm confused about the behavior of Atheism, in particular the Renunciation buff. I'm working on soloing this raid recently and I've stumbled on some weird things.
First, for some context, I recently edited the trigger with the change "Removes all debuffs on Lucilius if Renunciation condition isn't satisfied during that turn." but I believe it's a bit more weird/complicated or maybe just plain wrong (attention: it still does dispel all your debuffs, so that part is right). Let me explain:
I found a few videos/resources online where people manage to keep their debuffs at 75% without getting the Renunciation buff.
One of those: https://youtu.be/nxLhx7WMgPM?t=355 (at 5:55)
He has over 6 debuffs, pass the triggers, keep his debuffs and has no Renunciation buff on Lucilius after the attack.
I did some tests myself to attempt to reproduce this behavior:
https://youtu.be/s63RjNNOGfA?t=700 3 local debuffs from Andira, stackable debuffs and gravity: No success
I then assumed local debuffs might not work or my gravity had expired so I tried again to be sure:
https://youtu.be/yBCXppJbwzs?t=663 pretty much the same thing but with thor DATA down on top (3 local, 5 non local): No success
and then, with 6 non local debuffs:
https://youtu.be/Bk2TSUtBPwo?t=608 No success
But I discovered in today attempt that local debuffs do count towards renunciation:
https://youtu.be/VDdxkrm8q04?t=579
In conclusion, I don't get how people keep their debuffs at 75.
The only explanation I have is: you have to push 75% with skills/summons before your attack but it's really hard to pull and verify (I'll try but no promise). I can't confirm if that's the case from youtube videos alone, as the other I saw were 6 man runs.
If anyone has more informations, you are welcome.
The trigger explanation on the wiki should probably be updated to "Removes all debuffs on Lucilius." too, until it's clarified.
EDIT:
I managed to confirm it myself: Just the fact of passing the 75% mark removes debuff, you can then re-debuff in preparation for renunciation.
If you look at the first link above (the example one), you see the two stackable debuffs briefly disappear (when the animation appears) before yurius' first skill.